Carlsson at European Championships

Pontus has absolutely no chance ,with sharks like Motylev,Akopian ,Sutovsky,Khalifman ,I would congratulate him finishing in top 100

mr porter, perhaps his chances are not likely, but to say he has no chance in my view is incorrect. byrne thought that fischer had no chance to win before the game of the century, in fact he figured that he would play well for a little while and then he would crush him, and in his words said “but out came this maniac at me!” there was “no chance” that a child in the u.s could play such a game at that time, so perhaps it isn’t wrong to say that anyone has a a shot. i hope he does really well in view of his odds and that a positive perspective on his position can help. when we have losing chances in chess we are not to give up, we are to fight. if he never had a shot why would he play in such an event? and how would he get to the level that he is?

So all you obsessed with political correctness thought I was going to mention Pontus would finish in top 100 and then u would drink your happy pill and sleep right??The only “advantage” of political correctness is the illusion of inclusion and tolerance. The disadvantage is that instead of actually discussing situations and dealing with them in an open and honest manner that could bring about real change and understanding, we brush them under the rug and don’t deal with them because it’s not politically correct to express a certain view .Call a spade a spade!The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement! Indeed Pontus finished tied 155-199!!!or thereabouts “…man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but usually manages to pick himself up, walk over or around it, and carry on.” — Winston S. Churchill …

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act”-George Orwell

i respect your views and i said my peace on the subject. pontus is a great talent and hard worker and i feel that he had better chances than what you claim. the wonderful thing about chess is that even though we know so much about the game it is still a fight in the dark!
human beings are not perfect so the clash on the board will never die
what are the odds of kramnik, a super GM\ former world champ missing mate in one? one would say that he would never but he did!
my point is that to say never or absolutely no chance seems like those men you stated are like machines that play at their rating level and never go down or have off days. or that a young player like pontus cant play above his rating a beat people he wouldn’t normally be a match for. perhaps you are so obsessed with breaking “political correctness” that u cant see this simple fact.
no one disagrees that his chances were extremely slim, but to say he had none is once again in my view incorrect.
truth be told i could care less about following what is “politically correct” because i feel that some of us are here on this planet to blaze new paths and i want to go where i want to go not to where someone else has been.
my friend because you say what others have not said does not make it truth, nor does the result you predicted at the last moment prove your case.
i hope you understand this was written with all respect, and i only wish to express my views in response to your post.

I’m sure we all can improve our games (even top GMs), but I’m not sure how you’re assessing Carlsson’s talent as “mediocre.” Suggesting that he “improve his game” means you haven’t given this much thought. That statement applies to everyone. Unless you are at Grandmaster level, such a talent assessment is hard to make.

It is not as difficult to assess Anand and Kramnik since they have played an entire career already. Their talent has been fully realized, Carlsson’s has not. We have not seen enough of his games at a high level to know where his talent lies. We do know that he played well in Corus C, the European Team championship, Malaga and Reykjavik. To say he needs to “improve his game” is not an assessment. What are the specifics? examples? games?

any idiot can say a person needs to improve this or he needs to improve that. many people don’t understand that the road to the top in any sport is not road of roses! even talented players never make it or for some reason don’t do well in their youth, so to label from an arm chair really does not hold any weight. unless you give examples from games or notice something else. perhaps this should not be a such a problem for such a strong player as your self. talent cannot be
always measured by results, there are too many factors

ROFTLMAO!!! Julius Lopez you must be really getting desperate man,Daaim,in modern sport it is difficult to become a top player if you have not had a significant achievement by age 21 simple.

Was he saying that when Carlsson won the gold medal at the previous championships? Or when he was playing at Corus this year?

ROFTLMAO !! :mrgreen:Trevor Hoskins and Julius Lopez I suspect you both could have an arguement in an empty room.If Carlsson is extremely talented he could have at least won his National Championship by 21 given the facilities and strength of Chess in Sweden ,Even in Africa Gwaze ,Simutowe ,Kobese won their National championships at young age (will check Adly).Carlsson is no mug obviously but is an average player and i could not overstate his chances is such a field as in Bulgaria simple .Since when have I been forbidden my right on this website to analyse player games and pass comments?(like you do)You see Carlsson as a great prospect ,I dont!!simple.Do I NEED Daaim I suspect I will be history soon on this website for disagreeing with u and termed “provocative”but let the passage of time judge me.

Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

Darren Porter! its seems to be an empty room because you are not present in these conversations. it is interesting to read your posts as you have a view that is not the same as mine, it is refreshing!, but to watch you view your ideas on the subject as “the truth” is a little bit disturbing. you have been called to back up this “truth” of Carlsson needing to improve with examples from games and you haven’t. i ask you once again, since you are such a “strong player” please do me a favor and give me some proof to back up your “Truth”. or please since you know Carlsson so well explain what makes him less talented or in your eyes not promising because i am interested in finding out how you can measure talent only on results…. i await your response

Our views are not the one under discussion… yours are. You still give no analysis as to why you believe Carlsson will not be a successful Grandmaster. You also call him a mediocre talent. The fact that he got the GM title at 24 is not a strong reason. Are you saying every GM in the top 50 who did not get their GM title before 20 and didn’t win the national championship in their teens is not talented? You only need one case to disprove that theory, but there are actually many who failed to do either. Neither Dvoretsky or a Pandolfini are GMs, but nor would they deny Carlsson’s talent. I can assure you.

Julius ,I’m no scumbag myself ,I play above master level yes,

never did i say that i was right-you have come right now .

you have no ties to Carlsson so that you could understand what he goes through nor does it seem as if you understand him as a player.,what his short comings are, what he excels at. to make a statement worth considering as “the truth” you have to back it up. instead you run around the issue and never address it-the ties are the games themselves and results ,using my experience i simply tally things up ,ive seen a great many talent man ,trust u me.

are you a master level or above player who has made a career teaching talented players-definitely i play above master level.

so then please state what it is you see in Carlsson that in your eyes does not make him a prospect!! ……………..i await your reply -results speak fpr themselves man ,the last Plovdiv table does not lie.

Darren,

Tables do not say anything. Carlsson finished ahead of Kiril Georgiev and equal with people like Alexander Beliavsky, Jiri Stocek, Kamil Miton and many other GMs. What does that mean?

You stated your experience. What is your experience? ELO? federation? ICC handle?

Julius,

What he’s saying is that he doesn’t have an answer. He’s just trolling. This will NOT go on forever.

Tables mean something Daaim ,they were even used in determining World Championship recently ,here they were used to determine qualifiers.Consistency on the table over some time is what we use ,its common sense.I will not reveal my Elo or anything like that for safety sake ,I would rather let it rest .

is one of the most genuine brothers I’ve met in the chess world. Shane Matthews of Jamaica and Kenny Solomon of South Africa rank up there too. Pontus and I started communicating with him back in 2003 I believe. I asked (with some hesitation) if I could include him on the “Drum Majors” list. Immediately he agreed!! We exchanged e-mail, but missed each other at the 2004 Olympiad (Mallorca, Spain) by five minutes. Solomon told him I had just left. He was playing in another tournament and was not playing for Sweden. We joked about it later.

I then attended the 2006 Olympiad in Turin, Italy and was surprised to see him playing for Sweden! I started snapping photos and then laid a business card down near him. He immediately got up to greet me and was apparently happy to see me. One evening I ran into him at the cafeteria and he had just finished eating his meal. I had just come from the press room filing my reports. I told him I’d catch him later, but he insisted on sitting with me and we had a very nice conversation. He keeps in touch and always gives me updates.

Pontus is quite a different kind of fellow… has his own style, but a great person and I cannot wait until he visits the US. We’ll have a reception for him… for sure! 😀

in what profession can you find that people are not.(generally scumbags) kinda funny because i could not find any 😆