Three 2800s Square Off!

Incredible NONTRADITIONAL play by Wang Yue !!! I wouldnt be surprised if he took first place, in spite of their old rating system. Its clear the United States have a big advantage over the rest of the world ,actually you can go to their traditional sites to read the old analysis and its clear they seem to be strugglin to explain the HORSEMOVES strategically , they give a few general comments about the position and use their traditional machines to evaluate or help them with their novelties. When i get a chance Um gunna switch over to Susan Polgar’s site to get a feminine perspective on these games ,according to their traditions they think women are weaker in chess ya know? But i think chess is so easy even Simba can do it! ( oh, thats her new puppy) i seen him in a simul on her site, hehe. Anyone doing analysis here? Peace.

Don’t forget that Aronian could become the official world #1 on the November list…he’s now over 2800 after beating Ivanchuk in Bulgaria.

Agreed. The players of today use powerful tools plus they have access to every game almost instantly. In addition, they can reflect on the games of their predecessors. I believe there will always be debates of whether players from previous eras could compete. This is never a clean debate since it’s difficult to compare across eras, but we do have more strong players than we did 20 years ago. People talk about rating inflation, but in my view, players have simply gotten stronger.

Lesley,

You’re right on mothering. Mothering of course, is something entirely different and based, in large part, on instinctive social factors. However, in chess we know that knowledge has a cumulative effect and the strongest chess players today have a variety of tools for an efficient means of information gathering and utilization.

In the Fischer era, they relied on old books, the Informant and magazines that came out every month or bimonthly. I believe the Informant was twice a year. Fischer happened to do his own analysis and had kept voluminous records of his work. He also read Soviet magazines.

HOWEVER… while it is quite possible that a top ten player of today may have more cumulative chess knowledge than Fischer, it is fair to assess players relative to their own peers (when everyone had the similar access to knowledge). Fischer was of course ahead of his peers by a lot further margin than most other champions. Even Kasparov has admitted this in his interviews.

In addition, there are so many other factors in the present era that did not exist in the Fischer era and vice versa. What made Kasparov and Fischer great was not merely their chess knowledge, but their chess personalities. Both were relentless assassins and perfectionists who made very few errors.

Few players today have been able to reach their level of intensity, charisma and winning attitude… not Anand, not Topalov, not Carlsen, not Kramnik. However, each of these players today have benefited from the lessons of Fischer and Kasparov. I would say in general that we have stronger players today, but in terms of contributions, Fischer and Kasparov are unparalleled. Fischer perhaps did the most in popularize the image of chess worldwide.

It appears as if Carlsen is back on form. I heard comments elsewhere that he was spending late nights playing poker in Bilbao, Spain and was punished for it. It appears that he focus is back.

Great job on the videos by two colleagues, Macauley and Peter!

In my view, it’s not possible now. There are not rating points in the pool to extract from. As his rating increases, every time he gets a draw he will lose considerable ground. Are you thinking he can continue an incline for the whole year. He is at 2800 now. One-hundred ELO points in one year is asking a bit much. I believe another question is whether he will remain consistent and keep his 2800 ELO by the end of this year.

Daaim,

There are a lot of blunders in EVERY tournament…even the super-GM tourneys. The winner will make the fewest mistakes — not no mistakes. That’s the way it has always been.

That being said, there are very few 2700s from the 80s-90s in the league with the top 5 players of today. Anand, Kramnik and Topalov are better now than they were in the 90s, and other than Kasparov and Karpov, no other top player from that era is as good as the top players now.

Congrats to Carlsen…he continues to prove he is the real deal. People are so prone to overreaction — he had a bad stretch of 15 games (during which he still beat Jakovenko and Shirov, BTW), but is clearly now back on course. The Candidates in April 2011 will be fun. Also looking forward to seeing Hikaru’s games at the Tal Memorial in a few weeks.

Kasparov made startling blunders as well…we just don’t remember them. He resigned in a clearly drawn position during one of his super-GM tournaments while he was world champ. Also the end of the Kasparov-Karpov 1987 match was filled with blunders — plus who can forget the final Deep Blue-Kasparov 1997 game — that was about as bad as missing a mate-in-one.

Karpov’s strength was never his opening analysis, while that is one of Kramnik’s strengths — as he showed in taking the title from Kasparov without losing once in their 15 game match!! BTW, 1975 Karpov wasn’t even the best or highest-rated player in the world…as we all know.

Kasparov is the most versatile player ever, which is why he remained dominant for so long and why to me he is GOAT. During much of Karpov’s era of dominance (1975-1985) his rivals were not as strong as Kasparov’s (obviously, b/c Karpov was still in his prime when Kasparov first became champion, while Karpov never had to play Fischer or anyone as strong as Anand during his prime) which is why he was able dominate his era — no way is prime Korchnoi or postprime Tal superior to Anand or Kramnik. I seriously doubt that prime Korchnoi is superior to even prime Ivanchuk, BTW.

A good analogy is in tennis…Pete Sampras may have been #1 more weeks than Federer, but that’s because he never faced anyone as good as Nadal in his era (not even Agassi). It’s not just how long someone remains dominant, its about the level of their competition in doing so. This makes Anand already one of the top 5-7 players of all time — I don’t think he’ll ever top Kasparov, but he could reach #2 all-time if he wins in 2012 and 2014.